ロンドンブーツ淳が生み出したギリギリ嫌われないツッコミ・司会術


2月1日に放送されたテレビ朝日55周年特番『 バラエティ司会者芸人 夢の共演スペシャル』では爆笑問題、さまぁ~ず、雨上がり決死隊、ネプチューン、千原ジュニア、ココリコ、ロンドンブーツ1号2号、有吉弘行、タカアンドトシという人気バラエティ番組で司会を務める芸人たちが一夜限りの共演を果たした。


全編、貴重で興味深い内容だったが、中でも「お互いをどう思っているのか」打ち合わせで話したことを発表するというコーナーは出色だった。

その中でネプチューン名倉は、ほとんど共演経験のないロンブー淳について、「淳は自分と同じく仕切り役をしているが、自分と違いツッコむ時も大体は笑顔。笑顔の姿しか思い浮かばない」と指摘した。「強いツッコミもすべて淳って笑顔が多いじゃない? だから全部マイルドにみえて、そんなキツくみられへんというか。怒ってるイメージはないじゃない、淳に」と。

確かにキツめのツッコミをする時も淳は常に笑顔だ。
それについて淳は「ゲラなんです。(相手が)スベってても面白いし、面白いこと言ったらホントに面白いし」と笑顔である理由を語るが、それだけではないだろう。
淳が先輩たちに褒められているのを誰よりも嬉しそうに微笑みながら聞いていた相方の亮は「みんなよう見てくれて嬉しい」と言いながらも「俺が一番解ってる」と胸を張り、その転機を明かす。
「(『ロンドンハーツ』の)『格付け』やってからぐらいから、そういうの(笑顔ツッコミ)になりましたね」

実際、淳自身もMCとして認められたのは「格付けしあう女たち」からだと以前インタビューで語っている。
「10人の女性をMCとして回したら、他でもMCやってくださいと頼まれだしたんです。そこからだと思いますね。『あ、俺MCやっていいんだ』って」

番組プロデューサーの加地も同意する。「それまではスタジオ収録で2人が司会っぽくなると、まあ受け入れられなくて数字がすごく悪かった。見ていて、すわりがよくなかったんでしょうね。それが『格付け』で収まりがよくなった」(『Quick Japan』Vol.97)と。

「格付け」はどうしても企画の性質上ギスギスしてしまう。その中でも、ギリギリのラインを聞き出さなければならない。そのために淳が生み出したのが、キツいツッコミを笑顔でするという司会術だったのだ。
「あの空気をどうにかしようと思って、俺は(淳が笑顔ツッコミを)生み出したんだと思ってます」
と分析して語る相方の亮はどこか誇らしげだった。

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Cate Blanchett poses in the press room with the award for best actress in a motion picture - drama for "Blue Jasmine" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
From left, Michael Fassbender, Bill Pohlad, Lupita Nyong'o, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Dede Gardner, Steve McQueen, Sarah Paulson, Jeremy Kleiner, Anthony Katagas and Hans Zimmer pose in the press room with the award for best motion picture - drama for "12 Years a Slave" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Alfonso Cuaron, right, poses with Sheherazade Goldsmith and the award for best director for "Gravity" in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Steve McQueen poses in the press room with the award for best motion picture - drama for "12 Years a Slave" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Jesse Spencer, left, and Taylor Kinney pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Alfonso Cuaron poses in the press room with the award for best director for "Gravity" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
From left, Stephanie Beatriz, Melissa Fumero, Chelsea Peretti, Andy Samberg, Michael Schur, Dan Goor, Terry Crews, Andre Braugher, David Miner and Joe Lo Truglio pose in the press room with the award for best television series - comedy or musical for "Brooklyn Nine - Nine" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
From left, Chelsea Peretti, Melissa Fumero and Stephanie Beatriz, winners of the award for best television series - comedy or musical for "Brooklyn Nine - Nine" pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
From left, Lupita Nyong'o, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Steve McQueen, Sarah Paulson and Michael Fassbender pose in the press room with the award for best motion picture - drama for "12 Years a Slave" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Steve McQueen poses in the press room with the award for best motion picture - drama for "12 Years a Slave" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Amy Adams, left, and David O. Russell, winners of the award for best motion picture - comedy or musical for "American Hustle" pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Ben Affleck poses in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
From left, Lupita Nyong'o, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Steve McQueen, Sarah Paulson, and Michael Fassbender pose in the press room with the award for best motion picture - drama for "12 Years a Slave" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Melissa McCarthy, left, and Jimmy Fallon pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Melissa McCarthy, left, and Jimmy Fallon pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Melissa McCarthy, left, and Jimmy Fallon pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Michael Douglas poses in the press room with the award for best actor in a mini-series or motion picture made for television for "Behind the Candelabra" at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Melissa McCarthy, left, and Jimmy Fallon pose in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
Jimmy Fallon poses in the press room at the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)
This image released by NBC shows hosts Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows hosts Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows hosts Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows hosts Tina Fey, left, and Amy Poehler during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows Jennifer Lawrence, left, accepting the award for best supporting actress in a motion picture for her role in "American Hustle," during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows Jennifer Lawrence, left, accepting the award for best supporting actress in a motion picture for her role in "American Hustle," as presenters Sandra Bullock, right, and Tom Hanks, second right, look on during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows Jennifer Lawrence, left, accepting the award for best supporting actress in a motion picture for her role in "American Hustle," during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows presenter Jennifer Lawrence during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows Jennifer Lawrence, left, accepting the award for best supporting actress in a motion picture for her role in "American Hustle," during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)
This image released by NBC shows Jennifer Lawrence, left, accepting the award for best supporting actress in a motion picture for her role in "American Hustle," during the 71st annual Golden Globe Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on Sunday, Jan. 12, 2014, in Beverly Hills, Calif. (AP Photo/NBC, Paul Drinkwater)