ダイノジ・大谷ノブ彦が激白「自殺というものに直面したときが何回かあった」 作家・平野啓一郎との共著『生きる理由を探してる人へ』トークライブ


11月14日、東京・秋葉原にて書籍『生きる理由を探してる人へ』刊行記念、トークライブ&サイン会が行われ、著者の大谷ノブ彦(ダイノジ)&平野啓一郎が登壇した。これまで自殺を考えたこともあると明かした大谷は、平野の説く、人には様々な顔があっていいとする「分人」という考え方に救われたと話し、「自殺というものに直面したときが何回かあったんだけど、そのとき出合っておきたかったなと思った」と、共鳴していた。


『生きる理由を探してる人へ』は芸人と作家による「自殺」をテーマにした異色の対談。序章から終章まで全6つのセクションに分け、追いつめられていても自らを死に追いやるような考えではなく、「自殺を思いとどまらせたい」と語る大谷と、「自殺回避の方法にどこまで説得力を持たせられるかが重要」と掲げる平野が、現状から脱出して違うかたちで生きるという道を提示している。


「以前は他者と幸せを比べたりして。同期の芸人がテレビに出ているのを見ていたら消したりとか、自分の自意識に勝てなくて、苦しくてしょうがなかった」と話す大谷は、平野の著書『私とは何か――「個人」から「分人」へ』のタイトルにもある「分人」という考え方に光を見たという。「本当の自分なんてないんじゃないのかな、ってハッとさせられました」。もっと分人主義を広め、伝えることができれば理想的だと思い、本を出すに至った。


また、過去に自殺を考えたこともあると明かした大谷は、「いざ自分が自殺をしようとしたときのことって覚えていないんです。都合よく記憶を消している感じもするし。未遂の人は本当にそういうのが多いらしくて」と、はっきりとした理由もないまま至ることもあると自己を例に挙げた。平野もうなずき、「僕も体験談を取材しました。本人が(他者に)相談してダメだから自殺しているのではなく、言葉としては単に疲れたとか、抜け出したいとか。行動として自殺に結び付くとなってしまったケースが結構あると思うんです」と話し、「"自殺する勇気があるなら生きろ"とか善意のつもりで言っているんだろうけど、悪いことをしたという言い方になりがちで、本人のことも傷つけていますよね」と持論を展開した。


さらに、平野は「ひとつの人格に決めつけられるのに、すごく抵抗があるんです。自殺してしまうと、いろいろな人生があったはずなのに"自殺するようなやつだった"とか、ひとつに決めてしまうことが起きていて。人間には多用な面があるし、それが大事だと思うんです」と、ひとつの自分の顔だけではなく、対人ごとに見せる顔がすべて自分であり、それを肯定することを勧めた。大谷も、「"こうでなければいけない"ということを受け入れなくていいですよ、ということをやわらかく伝えたいというのが、本を出した一番の理由でした。別に逃げているわけじゃないもんなあ」と、しみじみと生きることをかみしめていた。(取材・文・写真:赤山恭子)

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That cat is up to something, and we want no part of it.
WHOA
"What, what is this?"
"You'd rather take a picture of a straw than take one of me?
"Took a picture of baby Avery and dachshund Milo tunneled behind her to get in the picture." -Submitted By: Diane Lenier
Watch out, baby!
Who's bombing who?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
"Oh sorry, wrong room."
"What are you reading?"
At least someone is trying to stop these from happening.
Nothing like a perfectly timed tail.
The beer is poison!
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It's cool, he's the new boom mic operator.
"My turn next!"
Just really happy to be here.
At least that last guy is in the picture.
This cat's great-grandchildren are probably in this slideshow as well.
"Turn left on Sunset."
"I want to sit on the chair."
Sneak attack is underway.
Stopping inappropriate Facebook photo uploads since 2008.
How is he even doing that with his neck?
What are you doing here?
Also: "Soon"
Talk about a third wheel.
The other cat REALLY doesn't like glamour shots.
"Um, I think someone forgot my Fancy Feast."
"Do I smell fish?"
"Um, a little help?"
What is this contraption.
We're assuming that this guy was attempting to take an underwater selfie.
"Ignore me!"
He does not approve.
His night vision is perfect for interrupting hipster photo shoots.
He stood on that pinecone to get in this photo: commitment.
"Sorry, did I ruin your postcard?"
Still part of the family.
Maybe planned, still terrific.
"My husband and I were taking our border collie, Jack, out for his daily beach run and play. (This) is the photo of him being photobombed. I didn't see the dog until I saw it on the screen after the photo was taken."- Submitted By Laura Hancock
"I was trying to take a picture of this cute Waterbuck calf, when it's mom stepped in to see what I was doing to her baby...LOL." Submitted by: Karen Stephens
"I was taking a picture of my cat Simon one day when Teddy got a bit jealous (like he always does). Hope you enjoy!" Submitted by: Hali Jakeman
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In our experience cats really do hate driving.
This dog is huge!
Where was this cat standing?
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"Here is Badger, completely unaware of his archenemy Groucho doing the bombing..." -Submitted By: Kimberly Rai Cook
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Hey! Me too, right?
Submitted By: Alan Kelly
"Photobomb of my dachshund with my then 3-month-old daughter." -Submitted By: Melanie Walsh
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This goat would clearly lose hide-and-seek.
That cat takes itself way too seriously.
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These cows would have been such a good background otherwise.
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All the dog that's fit to photograph.
Aflac has to be responsible for this.
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"My husky is pretty angry she's not included in the picture." -Submitted By: Kimberly Fernandez
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Just wait for it.
"Well, hello!"
"I make this look easy."
The lion doesn't even know he is posing, he's just naturally suave.
This dolphin really deserves credit for making this picture great.
"Dog park fun (Jack, Marley, and Kiana) getting their picture taken when a great dane decides to make a cameo!!" -Submitted By: Brynn Fesler
"I'm part of the family too. Why shouldn't I be in the picture?"
"Another animal is getting more attention than me!"
Maybe this was planned?
"Oh, you were taking a picture?"
Just a man, a woman, and their horse.
Even dogs can enjoy 3D.
The photographer is holding a steak.
This donkey has a place to go.
HEEYYYY!
Quick window bomb before flying away.
Just gonna sneak in here.
Cool boat, dude.
Pretty scenic, huh?
Bet he didn't see that coming.
Is this cute or just incredibly creepy?
Finally worked!
Nope, FCC cat doesn't approve of this.
Get a room.
Down here!
He knew what he was doing.
Sweet picture, dude.
Classic.
HEY!
This probably ended well.
Don't get out of the car.
Double Bomb.
That couch looks pretty comfy.
Dude, pipe down over there.
What's he planning?
When you gotta go, you gotta go.
Up close and personal.
You're never too young to get photobombed.
Cute couple.
C'mon, ditch the girl and come play with this ball.
Not just any goat bomb, but a sarcastic goat bomb.
Sup?
Cool speech, bro.
Nice costume, kid.
Cheeeeeese!
This way's better.
A fun-filled day at the park.
What are you guys up to?
Seriously?
Poor dog never even saw it coming.
BEHIND YOU!
Bears have needs, too.
Don't let the hair distract you from the bomb.
C'mon, I'm cute too.
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